Why does Crown insist on making people managers who are NOT managers? I have never seen such an array of non-people skills people being promoted to managers. None of these people have degrees in management. None of these people are fit to manage other employees. A massive layoff of these so-called "managers" would do Crown a world of good in fixing the culture they seem to care so much about.
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@qy multiple investigations and they are still here. I would bet any real money on that statement.
In my opinion, managers are crippled by constant reorganization and micromanagement from above. Almost everyone loves and respects my manager in the west. The ones that dont respect him are the ones that pretend to know everything when he speaks. Managers are being worn down with the jockeying and positioning of leaders who are insecure and love to hear themselves talk and flex thier imaginary muscle. If you are reading this looking to work here, don't. Any of the good managers left are planning thier exits. The egos are left running the company. Not much brains only egos. I dont know what I am going to do if my manager leaves. Good luck folks.
They may not value education but they sure as he'll don't value outside experience. Yes they tried it in the higher echelon and failed. But only because where they need it is Directors and below.
Oh boy the next thing is going to be Term Limits for Mangers and Directors. You crack me up, mangers are limited to 8 year terms and directors 4.
I am Director in Alabama doing very little with very limited responsibilities. Making a phat pay check and laughing all the way to the bank!
I am remote a proudly do as little as possible. I am remote and relaxing all day long. Office work is for su-kers, the longer I work here it’s easier to game the system.
Roll Tide #slacker 2025
MBA|PMP|Servant Leaders are a dime-a-dozen at Crown. You can't throw a stick in the PHX office without knocking over 10 ASU biz school graduates. I'm pretty sure it wasn't lack of education in the managerial ranks that led to the current problems. I mean, Crown was at its best when it was run by tower building hicks. Trust me, there were plenty of advanced degrees in the room when they decided on that fiber buying strategy.
Uh oh. Looks like OP was passed over for a promo and is a little salty. Hang in their lil buddy. Keep grinding
When are the remote managers going to be cut. We need to get DOGE in here to clean house on the tower side from Houston to Atlanta all the 20 year tenured good old boys need to go. They are holding back talent from getting promoted and bringing in new ideas and leadership.
Please be patient. Things are only get better. People like VPDP and Darth Ang won't make it through the end of the year. Just place holders for the new co.
One reason the managers are so bad is because in 2023 when the sh-t hit the fan a lot of our talent left. If they didn’t get RIF’d then they saw the storm coming and bailed. This left Crown scrambling to fill those vacant positions with any warm body that would accept the role.
The worst part is they call them "leadership". It's one thing to hire shitbag managers, but then to say they are leaders is the worst, as over time they start to believe they are important.
People in any position can be a leader, there are very few leaders there too, but at least stop calling them that.
I am not saying there are not good managers at CC. What I am saying however is that just because you have been there x years and reached x position, you should not be promoted to management just because. When a person has no soft skills evidenced by the fact that they have had several issues with coworkers over the years and said coworkers ended up leaving because of them, that should throw up a red flag. My current manager is an example of this scenario. Sometimes absentee, sometimes micromanaging. I was subjected to one of the rudest tirades just a few months ago because I made an error on one of my reports. I considered going to grandboss but to what end would that serve? I am actively interviewing and once I get another job, I will certainly open the floodgates and put everything out there. I am sure this will do no good and the next new hire will be put in the same position as me. However, it will sure as h$ll make me feel better!
True. The managers and directors have none of the soft skills required by other companies. Promoted for all the wrong reasons. Couldn't care less if they're an Outlook expert.
Much more interested in leadership w business experience and management skills than who can add an email signature quickest. That's childish and part of the problem.
Yes to the VP comment. Some VPs at crown don’t know how to add an email signature or share screens in teams. Imagine the folks they put in leadership positions. Yikes!
or not, some great managers are just good people who shine a light and see the best way to develop others but the problem is we don’t evaluate managers in a reflective safe way so bad managers stay in positions far too long at every level hence all the posts about the horrible one that announced their exit after countless issues then supposedly convinced an innocent new leader they weren’t the problem. They need to have competency based interviews and evaluations that add objective in a way people are safe from consequences to be honest with their performance as a manager and leader because they see different skills and both are important. They also need management and leader training to be done from an outside source who can grow and foster the skills needed. Sorry that some managers are horrible, and the quantity of them are disproportionately higher here. Starts at the top to set the tone and we have some at the VP level that are really bad and their teams follow their lead.
They do not value education trust me.
At one point Crown had a great business strategy. Telecom was booming and they didn’t need to look for work, it came to them. At this point, there was little consiquense to just hiring your buddy because you could always say “I feel like they are a great fit to the group” even though they have no real qualifications. Things were good and people looked the other way even though they knew how unqualified some folks were. Flash forward to today and you can really tell who does not belong. When things are going well it’s easy to hide imperfections. The second things get tough people reveal their true selves and the gaps in their resume start to show.
@aj+1jt8rk6dp These managers couldn’t even be in charge of Sanitation!
Crown Castle managers are an oxymoron. This company, hands down, is the worst run company I’ve EVER worked for.
So should I have just stayed an IC and never move up to a mgr bc my degree isn’t in management? I’m sorry you got passed up and your manager stinks but there are good managers at the company.
Project managers, program managers , accounting managers, etc, etc. Its all the same, nepo hires. It started is Sales and permeated the whole company. People with no skills and experience being led by people w no skills and experience. Just great BSers. When the cuts finally hit and those people have to work in the real world they're going to wish they took some time to learn some skills instead of wielding they're "power" playing childish games.
The problem is HR never vetted these people before allowing a manager/director to hire them. There should be minimum qualifications required to hire certain positions. A good example would be a project manager. You could easily dwindle this down by saying it is required to have a bachelors degree in business management or a PMP. Instead, you get folks hiring their buddy from IT to manage construction projects. This is just one example, I’m sure there are hundreds.
While I feel your pain, most managers don't have a degree in "management" and this is coming from someone with a family full of managers. I have always been a doer and just not up for management. I have the experience but not the desire. My biggest gripe with management is they don't know what their employees know and/or do. Management should be common sense if you have the people skills to manage. That is where most people lack it because they are either heavy handed (my ex was called "the hammer") or are far too lenient. It is hard to find a good manager these days.
This tired old song again? These comments are like a broken record. Do you really need to start another thread about this?
It’s not going to get fixed any time soon. It’s the same thing I have heard everywhere I have worked. These discussions are as old and tired as the company and all they do is get people riled up.